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Mac OS X e le sue Applicazioni

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davide27862
Apprendista Maccanico
Apprendista Maccanico
Iscritto il: dom, 10 giu 2018 11:16
Messaggi: 49
Oggetto del messaggio: chiusura inattesa ...ma continua.

Messaggio Inviato: mar, 10 lug 2018 11:15

Ciao e buongiorno a tutti.
Ogni giorno e per piu' volte ,mi si ripresenta questa schermata. Ho provato a fare manutenzione e pulizia con Onyx,ma non e' cambiato nulla.. :oops:
In piu' ,il mio iMac (Late 2012- 2,9Ghz. -I5- 8Gb ) e' sempre lentissimo,nonostante abbia "creato " un FusionDrive con ssd esterno.
Qualcuno mi puo' insegnare qualcosa..???
:wink:

Process: cloudd [501]
Path: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CloudKitDaemon.framework/Support/cloudd
Identifier: cloudd
Version: 736.16 (736.16)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: cloudd [501]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2018-07-10 05:18:46.810 +0200
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.13.6 (17G54a)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: E29EE0A9-A748-4353-B054-A2744CFC2164

Sleep/Wake UUID: F5FB80CE-D103-457B-908F-367CB055DDF7

Time Awake Since Boot: 22000 seconds
Time Since Wake: 1200 seconds

System Integrity Protection: disabled

Crashed Thread: 4 cloudd.mmcs

Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Application Specific Information:
Assertion failed: (request->requestActivityMarker), function mmcs_request_get_request_activity_marker, file /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/mmcs/mmcs-434/mmcs/mmcs_request.c, line 805.


Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff920a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff8724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfebff5 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfeb347 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfea9b7 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff50101f26 -[NSRunLoop(NSRunLoop) runMode:beforeDate:] + 277
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff50101dfe -[NSRunLoop(NSRunLoop) run] + 76
7 cloudd 0x000000010502784a 0x105025000 + 10314
8 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff75eb2015 start + 1

Thread 1:: com.apple.CFStream.LegacyThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff920a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff8724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfebff5 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfeb347 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfea9b7 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4e0d41b5 _legacyStreamRunLoop_workThread + 261
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca661 _pthread_body + 340
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca50d _pthread_start + 377
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761c9bf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 2:: com.apple.NSURLConnectionLoader
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff920a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff8724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfebff5 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfeb347 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfea9b7 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.CFNetwork 0x00007fff4d12ae84 -[__CoreSchedulingSetRunnable runForever] + 722
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff501101f8 __NSThread__start__ + 1197
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca661 _pthread_body + 340
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca50d _pthread_start + 377
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761c9bf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 3:: cloudd.mmcs
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff920a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff75ff8724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfebff5 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfeb347 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfea9b7 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.cloudkit.CloudKitDaemon 0x00007fff600cb405 -[CKDMMCSEngineContext _MMCSThread] + 416
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff501101f8 __NSThread__start__ + 1197
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca661 _pthread_body + 340
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca50d _pthread_start + 377
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761c9bf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 4 Crashed:: cloudd.mmcs
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff76002b66 __pthread_kill + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761cd080 pthread_kill + 333
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff75f5e1ae abort + 127
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff75f261ac __assert_rtn + 320
4 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68cb532b mmcs_request_get_request_activity_marker + 48
5 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c43c83 mmcs_get_req_call_client_request_completed + 39
6 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c42bd5 mmcs_get_req_done_phase2 + 485
7 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c41e85 handle_response_getComplete + 1025
8 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c627ab mmcs_nshttp_context_did_complete + 1482
9 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c32154 mmcs_http_context_transaction_complete + 378
10 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c63970 mmcs_nshttp_did_complete + 556
11 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c82585 __56-[MMCSHTTPContext URLSession:task:didCompleteWithError:]_block_invoke_7 + 743
12 com.apple.MMCS 0x00007fff68c85ee6 __RunLoopPerformBlock_block_invoke_3 + 68
13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4e008b8c __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_BLOCK__ + 12
14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfebac3 __CFRunLoopDoBlocks + 275
15 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfeb14e __CFRunLoopRun + 1278
16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff4dfea9b7 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
17 com.apple.cloudkit.CloudKitDaemon 0x00007fff600cb405 -[CKDMMCSEngineContext _MMCSThread] + 416
18 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff501101f8 __NSThread__start__ + 1197
19 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca661 _pthread_body + 340
20 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761ca50d _pthread_start + 377
21 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff761c9bf9 thread_start + 13


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Creare un fusion drive con High Sierra è un errore grave.

Non c'è il supporto e garanzia di funzionamento.
Non c'è coesione tra i due filesystem, con tutta una serie di problemi nel trasferimento dei dati.

la conseguenza è anche il problema che affronti.
È un errore di memoria che il sistema non riesce a risolvere.
Rallenta molto, scalda e crolla.

Stare a cercare di risolvere è vano.
Essendo la causa più probabile la non validità degli indirizzi di allocazione degli oggetti.
Che, detto in parole povere, fa una fatica bestiale per cercare di lavorare su due piattaforme diverse.
E neanche agevoli per lavorarci.

Soluzioni:
1) Lavora solo su SSD con High Sierra e APFS
2) Reinstalla il fusion drive su Sierra con HFS+
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AH....ecco.
In entrambi i casi ,se ho ben capito, devo comunque reinstallare il SO , o Sierra o High Sierra . Giusto ?
Avendo ancora l'HD meccanico , pensavo che creando un FusionDrive con ssd esterno avrei guadagnato in termini di spazio e di velocita. Ho fatto la Cazz@@ta..ora vado ,volontariamente nell'angolo e mi metto le orecchie da asino.... :(
P.S. trovo sul Forum,una guida ?
grazie mille per l'aiuto e la spiegazione . :wink:
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Eh, sì...

La reinstallazione è obbligatoria.
Backup e installer su chiavetta.

Sul forum Tutorial trovi tutto.
viewforum.php?f=33
Poi eventualmente chiedi
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Grazie mille..oggi pomeriggio ci provo. :thumbright:
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Ciao , ho seguito i consigli di @Faxus, ma mi sa che sbaglio qualcosa.....
Ecco come ho proceduto : Avviato con CMD+C ,con Installer usb High Sierra inserita . Dalla recovery ho formattato l'SSd in APFS e fatta installazione sullo stesso del SO dell'installer . Fin qui tutto bene , installazione un po' lunga, ma va be'. I dolori cominciano al riavvio, fatto dopo reset PRAM .Tempi di avvio intorno ai 30 minuti...!!!!! Dopo essersi avviato , il sistema e' lentissimo e instabile, tanto da farmi ricominciare l'installazione da capo.Questa volta pero', cambio SSd e lo formatto in Mac OS esteso(journaled) e ricomincio .Ora il sistema sembra fluido e reattivo ,ma se provo a testarlo con BlacMagick Disk non lo trovo ,ne nel Finder,e neanche dal'App. Sicuramente, saprete darmi un chiarimento , io ammetto la mia ignoranza ed invoco, nuovamente @Faxus..ahahaha :wink:
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Esegui con Terminale:

Codice: Seleziona tutto

diskutil list
Posta il risultato.

Per favore, come testo e come codice
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Last login: Thu Jul 12 00:04:28 on console
iMac-di-Davide:~ davide$ diskutil list
/dev/disk0 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *1.0 TB disk0
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_HFS Macintosh HD2 999.3 GB disk0s2

/dev/disk1 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: FDisk_partition_scheme *3.9 GB disk1
1: DOS_FAT_32 USB FOTO 3.9 GB disk1s1

/dev/disk2 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *15.5 GB disk2
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk2s1
2: Apple_HFS Install macOS High S... 15.1 GB disk2s2

/dev/disk3 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *500.1 GB disk3
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk3s1
2: Apple_HFS SSd Macintosh 499.2 GB disk3s2
3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB disk3s3

/dev/disk4 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *1.0 TB disk4
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk4s1
2: Apple_HFS Time Machine 999.8 GB disk4s2
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Sì, Davide, ma se uno ti chiede cortesemente
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Per favore, come testo e come codice
Postalo come codice, serve per capire e non fare errori.
Perché postato così alla rinfusa (ma tu ci capisci qualcosa?) non si legge.

Esempio

Codice: Seleziona tutto

/dev/disk0 (internal, physical):
   #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER
   0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *250.1 GB   disk0
   1:                        EFI EFI                     209.7 MB   disk0s1
   2:                 Apple_APFS Container disk1         249.8 GB   disk0s2

/dev/disk1 (synthesized):
   #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER
   0:      APFS Container Scheme -                      +249.8 GB   disk1
                                 Physical Store disk0s2
   1:                APFS Volume Macintosh SDD           138.3 GB   disk1s1
   2:                APFS Volume Preboot                 37.2 MB    disk1s2
   3:                APFS Volume Recovery                1.0 GB     disk1s3
   4:                APFS Volume VM                      5.4 GB     disk1s4
Questo lo si si mette come codice così

Immagine

Come lo vedi in Terminale così
Immagine
E come lo vedi qui nel post.
E si capisce.

Per favore AGGIUNGI ANCHE la risposta a questo comando

Codice: Seleziona tutto

sudo systemsetup -getstartupdisk
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Ok,grazie.
Oggi pomeriggio lo faccio.

OFF TOPIC : Comunque,senza voler assolutamente far polemiche ,ammettere la mia NON preparazione tecnica nella materia specifica sembra non fare testo alcuno.
Mi si rimprovera anche l'uso della punteggiatura ( ! ) da presunti membri onorari dell'Accademia della Crusca appartenenti al Forum.
I quali, senza un benché minima confidenza personale, si autoproclamano docenti.
Sicuramente ho molto da imparare ,ma di certo non sono il solo.
Scusate il disturbo e buona continuazione.
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Non te la prendere, qui si scherza sempre.

Vero è che qualcuno potrebbe far notare una cosa in maniera più soft, ad esempio:

"xxx puoi fare più attenzione all'uso della punteggiatura? i tuoi post sarebbero più leggibili e velocemente comprensibili. Grazie"

Ecco poi, un grazie alla fine, stempera sempre.
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Ok,grazie...
... senza voler assolutamente far polemiche...
Grazie a te, se lo farai.

Neanche io ho fatto polemica.
(a volte lo faccio, ma lo dichiaro e poi mai con un neo utente non esperto)

Le indicazioni date servono a capire, senza troppo sforzo e possibili errori.
Quindi è meglio per te

(Non mi ricordo la storia della punteggiatura...)
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OFF TOPIC: l'uso della punteggiatura si impara in prima elementare. Se uno, invece di impararla, disprezza chi glielo fa notare, è complice di quel degrado che ha portato al disprezzo delle persone istruite e di conseguenza al fenomeno degli idioti terrapiattisti, degli idioti novax, degli idioti che sostengono che il cancro va curato con il bicarbonato, eccetera. Insomma le legioni di imbecilli di cui parlava Umberto Eco.
Però ricordati, caro davide27862, che i "professoroni", quelli che hanno studiato e vedono quanto ti sforzi per non imparare cose da prima elementare, sono quelli che decideranno quale lavoro avrai, se lo avrai, e come si svolgerà in futuro la tua vita.
Tu potrai disprezzarli come professoroni, loro ti considereranno un idiota.
Peccato per te che siano loro ad avere il potere.
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@Paolofast
Questo era per te....
Scialla ha scritto:
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Vero è che qualcuno potrebbe far notare una cosa in maniera più soft, ad esempio:

"xxx puoi fare più attenzione all'uso della punteggiatura? i tuoi post sarebbero più leggibili e velocemente comprensibili. Grazie"

Ecco poi, un grazie alla fine, stempera sempre.
Non è la prima volta che entri a gamba tesa e, sinceramente, non è che mi piaccia un granché
C'è modo e modo di dire le cose e tu, spesso, usi quello sbagliato.

Il fatto che qui non si tenda a moderare gli interventi non vuol dire che i moderatori non esistano.
Sei pregato di moderare interventi e termini o mi toccherà "tagliare"
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OFF TOPIC: l'uso della punteggiatura si impara in prima elementare. Se uno, invece di impararla, disprezza chi glielo fa notare, è complice di quel degrado che ha portato al disprezzo delle persone istruite e di conseguenza al fenomeno degli idioti terrapiattisti, degli idioti novax, degli idioti che sostengono che il cancro va curato con il bicarbonato, eccetera. Insomma le legioni di imbecilli di cui parlava Umberto Eco.
Però ricordati, caro davide27862, che i "professoroni", quelli che hanno studiato e vedono quanto ti sforzi per non imparare cose da prima elementare, sono quelli che decideranno quale lavoro avrai, se lo avrai, e come si svolgerà in futuro la tua vita.
Tu potrai disprezzarli come professoroni, loro ti considereranno un idiota.
Peccato per te che siano loro ad avere il potere.
Bravo . Di nuovo.
Grazie a Dio ed alle mie capacità ,sulle quali stai dissertando neanche ci conoscessimo da anni, io il lavoro lo già' trovato ben trentacinque anni fa' e una buona parte della mia vita e',questo purtroppo si ,alle mie spalle . Non so e francamente non mi interessa cosa tu facessi all'epoca . In quell'epoca remota insegnavano innanzitutto l'educazione, ma a giudicare dall'inizio del tuo post ,forse eri perennemente assente. Tant'e' , il tuo comportamento mi rattrista ma lo lascio giudicare agli altri..e qualcuno ,forse, ti ha già' risposto.
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